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PRE_Brenda Will...

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Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Jul 20, 2004 10:02 AM
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A few years ago I found a website for a museum located in Buffalo, NY which claimed to have a log cabin originally built by German Lutheran settlers in 1846-47. My husband's family was part of that group so we want to see the cabin when we visit Buffalo in August. Of course, now I can't find the site! Does anyone out there know the site I'm talking about??? Your help would be greatly appreciated!
PRE_Joyce Junge...

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Jul 20, 2004 10:57 AM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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Brenda, try this site: www.rin.buffalo.edu/c_niag/comm/cult/muse/agen/dhghm.htm

What is the surname of your ancestral roots? My husband's families, Pagel and Schulz came to the area in 1843 and were members of Holy Ghost Lutheran Church. Three years later the Stegemann family immigrated into the area and the church membership. In 1862 these three families migrated to Afton Township, Washington County, Minnesota, where they were among founding members of St. Peter's Lutheran Church.
PRE_Brenda Will...

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Jul 20, 2004 11:31 AM   in response to: PRE_Joyce Junge... in response to: PRE_Joyce Junge...
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The family names are Bergemann and Rehwaldt. The families were part of the old Buffalo synod. Branches of both families moved to Altamont, IL and then on to southern Minnesota. My husband's mother came from Good Thunder.

Thanks for the link. I will give it a try!
PRE_Anne Miller

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Jul 21, 2004 10:40 AM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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My husband's Lutheran roots are also in the early settlement - Wheatfield, Holy Ghost church. Brenda, did the link Joyce Jungemann posted for you work? I'd be interewsted in the information that link has. Thanks.
PRE_Joyce Junge...

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Jul 22, 2004 2:30 AM   in response to: PRE_Anne Miller in response to: PRE_Anne Miller
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Anne, of course, the address needs the "l" at the end; someplace it dropped off the end of html. I have been on the site several times, and will try it again now. What are you ancestors' surnames?
PRE_Ron Haseley

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Jul 22, 2004 2:33 PM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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Brenda, the actual museum in in a small community North of Buffalo named Bergholz (after one of the towns the original settlers came from. The other being Walmore or Wallmow back in Prussia.) It is located on the main street in Bergholz, and is located on the North side of the road. Just drove by there on Tuesday. I grew up in the area and moight be able to help you with information if you so desire.
Ron
Bruce Broecker

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Feb 1, 2006 7:30 PM   in response to: PRE_Ron Haseley in response to: PRE_Ron Haseley
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Ron, I grew up in the western N.Y. area also. My grandmother was Rosaide Haseley. Any relation? She married Willam Broecker.
Ron41

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Feb 2, 2006 5:27 PM   in response to: Bruce Broecker in response to: Bruce Broecker
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Bruce,

email me at rhaseley@yahoo.com

Ron
Ron41

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Feb 2, 2006 8:56 PM   in response to: Bruce Broecker in response to: Bruce Broecker
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Bruce,
Oooops! The yahoo won't work..., use rhaseley@hotmail
Ron
GaryT

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: May 11, 2006 11:50 PM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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I'm descended from at least two of the Bergholtz, NY families,two of which came there in 1843, the Proefrocks and the Dubois'. While checking on my great-great uncle's participation in the Civil War in the NY 8th Hvy Artillery, I found that he had Rehwaldt brothers as regimental buddies. In checking with St. Peter's Church in Afton, WI, where we think John Proefrock moved to after the war, I found that the pastor was a Rehwaldt as well. Strangely, he didn't realize that his relatives were probably Bergholz people as well. Rehwaldt is an unusual name, and there are several pastors in the Missouri Synod by that name, although I have not called any of them to fin d any connections.
Ron41

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: May 12, 2006 7:14 AM   in response to: GaryT in response to: GaryT
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GaryT
Please email me at rhaseley@hotmail.com. I am interested in both of the lines you mentioned, especially the DuBois line.

Ron
GaryT

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Jul 12, 2006 6:01 PM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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It is most interesting that Pastor Alan Rehwaldt is pastor of St. Peter's, Afton congregation. When I talked to him last, a couple of years ago, he had no idea that, or if ,he had his roots in the W.N.Y. Lutheran German's. But it is highly likely he does. Two Rehwaldt brothers served in the same Civil War regiment(NY 8th Heavy Artlly) as my great-great uncle,John Profrock, who moved out to Afton afterward for a time, I believe, and is buried in the German Lutheran Cemetery in St. Paul,MN. Eugene Camann, who just passed on this past spring, wrote two small books ,both still available, I believe, from the Historical Society of N. German Settlements in W.N.Y. 2449 Niagara Rd. Niagara Falls ,N.Y. (it's really in Bergholz). The books list all the immigrants during the 1843-44 period and stories of the pioneering efforts. Plus some juicy mysteries as well! Gene did a masterful job! The Lutheran Seminary in St Catherines, Ontario awarded him a medal for his work- I cannot remember the name of the medal,( it was in Latin).
GaryT

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Apr 12, 2008 8:49 PM   in response to: PRE_Joyce Junge... in response to: PRE_Joyce Junge...
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In rereading this thread, I remembered that I also have SCHULTZ ancestors. My G.G. grandmother was Christine DuBois, whose mother was Dorothea Schultz.Her husband, Jacob DuBois (my G.G.G. grandfather) and she were from Fahrenwalde.and came on the "Rainbow".There were several SCHULTZ families in the bunch of three congregations, but the Christian Friedrich SCHULTZ family also came over in the "Rainbow". All this is according to Eugene Camann's books "UPROOTED FROM PRUSSIA TRANSPLANTED IN AMERICA" and "MORE PRUSSIAN TRANSPLANTINGS IN WHEATFIELD" Of course, distances were close between towns, so only a genealogical tracing can determine if your husband and I are fourth cousins(or so).
PRE_rick hessel

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Mar 28, 2005 1:01 PM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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You are probably referring to Bergholz, NY which is Niagara County. They have a Das Haus- a replica of the log houses which the early settlers built. The history of the settlement is well documented. Look for books written by Camaan.
GaryT

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: May 14, 2008 5:04 PM   in response to: PRE_rick hessel in response to: PRE_rick hessel
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"Das Haus is not a replica- it is the original home of the Camann family., according to Eugene Camann, who is now deceased. I understand that the pipe that my G_G grandfather smoked is there as well, as are many relics of the
pioneer Old Lutheran families.

GaryT
Ron41

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Dec 7, 2008 4:12 PM   in response to: GaryT in response to: GaryT
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GaryT, please email me at rhaseley@hotmail.com
FRAU

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Dec 14, 2005 5:00 PM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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In your post did you mean the German Museum in Bergholz? It was origionally a cabin before becoming the museum.
Phil Kuehn

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Feb 2, 2006 9:47 AM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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Eugene Camann wrote 2 books on the emmigrants to Niagra County NY.
Mr. Camanns Museum was his ancestral home. It has been slightly updated to accommodate visitors. Under the siding is the original logs of the settlers as they built them. His books detail most of where they came from, when, what ships, etc.
Trinity Historical Society in Mequon, WI has translated the German book written by Rev. Wilhelm Iwan, of the emmgrants from the area along the Oder River in Germany/Prussia,(formerly Silesia & now Poland), to NY.
He translated it in the 1800's.
The 3 volume set is available from the Trinity Historical Society in WI & has been retranslated into English.I have no address here w/ me.
Mr. Camann listed some of those who left NY for a Westward settlement to other states. Most of those that settled in MIchigan ,I have found , incl. several surnames of those people & have the church records copy, in my MI home . Cemetery burials,marriages,births, incl.Plat maps of their farms too.
If anyone wishes to contact me for info. from thesae records , I will be there in May, 06.
Phil Kuehn
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The e-mail address applies here in FL too.
Surnames: Sahr, Rossow, Gensmar,Wurl,
thunder001


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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 12:37 PM   in response to: Phil Kuehn in response to: Phil Kuehn
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Hello Phil,

Not sure if you have time on May 6 to do this, but I have been researching some of my roots also.

A G-G-G maternal grandparent Schultz, Charlotte C. was born some time in the early 1800's and settled eventually in Hustisford WI where she was married to Johann Zarling and had children, I have only one record of a sibling named Johanna Zarling born 1846, so this Charlotte Schultz may (or may not have) been part of the 1840's emigration.

I have a family trace of Gieschen's that go back to Germany and the later 1500' (G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-grandparent). However, the G-G-grandparent line of Hermann Gieschen (married to Katherina Meier) of Embson Germany and Giersdorf Germany respectively (also live in Achim), they did emigrate but I have no emigration records or ports. But they came over about 1883-1885.

The Gieschen's produced many pastors and teachers, among them my Grandpa Walter Gieschen, born in 1898 in Illinois.

G-G-G-grandparents Johann Thurow, married to Henriette D. Elert both of Prussia, emigrated with their son who eventually became Rev. Carl Thurow (born 1843), emigrated in 1860 when Carl was only 17, but again, no record of port or settlement until they showed up in I think Missouri and eventually settled in Jefferson City, MO.

Frederick Meltz (paternal G-G-grandparent) was born in Prussia in 1823 and may very well have been in on the 1840's emigration. But no record until he married and had a son John Meltz born 1866, and settled in Greenville, WI.

Here are some other names I have been researching, if you have any time to lookup any of the above, or below, thank you.

(Jacob) Nicholas W. Hoh, born 1841 in Prussia, but emigrated I think with his parents John Christian Hoh born 1806 (married to Johanna Maria Rosetta Veig, born 1810). The Hoh's eventually settled in Grand Chute, WI. Mary Hoh (daughter of Nicholas and Johanna) born 1868 would be my paternal G-grandparent.

John Johann Bleick born in Prussia 1835 (married in 1855 to Louisa (or Louise) Brockmann born 1826 in Germany. Not sure, but think they married in Germany then emigrated probably in the 1850's. Record of one son Hermann Bleick in 1860 or 1862, in America, they also settled in Greenville WI eventually. No ports of record on them either, or early settlement.

Anyways, it was fun putting this together, but if you did run across any of these, in the listings, thank you. It would be great of any of these were settled in the Buffalo or Niagara areas before heading west to WI/IL/MO.
thunder001


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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 12:47 PM   in response to: thunder001 in response to: thunder001
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There is also a "lost" surname family history, my maternal side G-G-parents. Last known was my G-grandparent Adolph Grohskreuz (also spelled Groskreutz in America) born in Oshkosh WI in 1875 (married to Ida Kelpin (also spelled Koelpin in America), unsure when she was born. But both of them I am sure their parents HAD to have been in the emigration of 1830'2, 1840's, 1860's? Would be nice to know where there start was from. The Koelpin line is actually still going strong, you may remember Dr. Arnold Koelpin of New Ulm, he would be my cousin (3rd? 4th?) he taught for many years at DMLC and in 2001 became mayor of New Ulm! The Groskreutz line indeed did die out, so would like to find out more about them (backwards).
Lutheran Rabbi

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: May 2, 2009 9:35 AM   in response to: thunder001 in response to: thunder001
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Thunder:

I'm originally from the Appleton area (home church: Mt. Olive) and my surname is Hoh, which you mentioned in your post. I had relatives in Greenville. When I preached in rural Appleton congregations, I often met relatives at the services.
Gramps


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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: May 2, 2009 11:40 AM   in response to: Lutheran Rabbi in response to: Lutheran Rabbi
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Welcome to the boards, rabbi. Hope you will stick around, there are a number of us clergy types lurking around LOL. The more the merrier. Maybe we can have a real seminary dorm discussion going on.
thunder001


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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Feb 20, 2010 9:01 AM   in response to: Lutheran Rabbi in response to: Lutheran Rabbi
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Lutheran_Rabbi:

I just re-read your post. When were you in Appleton area preaching? I know Mt. Olive, I went to St. Paul's. My parents were members for a time at Mt. Olive. Perhaps you can help me, my Paternal Great Grandma was Mary Hoh, born around 1868 or 1869 and lived in Grand Chute, and married John Meltz. What are your relatives names, brothers and sisters, uncles and aunts, and grandparents that were surname Hoh? I remember a long time ago (on the school bus in Greenville) when I went to grade school there was a surname Hoh but never got to know who he was, many years later I am finding out I was probably related! And maybe related to you?!
genecat

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 2:04 PM   in response to: Phil Kuehn in response to: Phil Kuehn
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Wonder if Friedrich J Walters who was .Dec.28 1859 NY his parents maybe August & Nelly Walters family was supposed to moved west & later move east again its been my brickwall over 20 yrs, Fred was in WI then MN married Anna Behnken who came USA 1880 w/her family Selsinger Hanover m.Fred 1886,his family has to be German-hope you can be my wal breaker-Thanks for any help Phil , A possible Buffalo Settlement hopeful.
Phil Kuehn

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Dec 8, 2008 9:26 AM   in response to: Phil Kuehn in response to: Phil Kuehn
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I must apologize for my error in stating this museum was Eugene Camaans ancestral home.It was NOT.He purchased it in 1971 I am told as he wanted to begin an antique shop.
Please be assured as it is not my intent to mislead anyone.I only offered this information based on what I thought I had heard but I was in error.
Phil Kuehn
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Phil Kuehn

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Dec 8, 2008 9:27 AM   in response to: Phil Kuehn in response to: Phil Kuehn
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I must apologize for my error in stating this museum was Eugene Camaans ancestral home.It was NOT.He purchased it in 1971 I am told as he wanted to begin an antique shop.
Please be assured as it is not my intent to mislead anyone.I only offered this information based on what I thought I had heard but I was in error.
Phil Kuehn
pkuehn@mich.com
Randoow

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Dec 10, 2008 12:12 PM   in response to: Phil Kuehn in response to: Phil Kuehn
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Bergholz, located in Wheatfield, Niagara County, NY. 800 of the 1600 Old Lutherans who arrived in 1843 pooled their money to purchase over 2800 acres in the town of Wheatfield. The village of New Bergholtz was laid out on a previously cleared 120 acres near the center of the 2800 acres. 120 lots of one acre each were selected by lot by each male who was over 21. A school and 24 full log house homes were built to make it through the first winter. In 1844 half-timber and clay style homes were built so each family had their own dwelling. The Village needed a potter and in 1851 Carl Ludwig Mehwaldt agreed to come from Brussow, Prussia and bought a double lot in the village on the corner of Hunt and Niagara St. The Mehwaldt house is now the Das Haus Museum.
Randy Warblow Randoow@aol.com
Phil Kuehn

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Feb 2, 2006 10:06 AM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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Eugene Camann wrote 2 books on the emmigrants to Niagra County NY.
Mr. Camanns Museum was his ancestral home. It has been slightly updated to accommodate visitors. Under the siding is the original logs of the settlers as they built them. His books detail most of where they came from, when, what ships, etc.
Trinity Historical Society in Mequon, WI has translated the German book written by Rev. Wilhelm Iwan, of the emmgrants from the area along the Oder River in Germany/Prussia,(formerly Silesia & now Poland), to NY.
He translated it in the 1800's.
The 3 volume set is available from the Trinity Historical Society in WI & has been retranslated into English.I have no address here w/ me.
Mr. Camann listed some of those who left NY for a Westward settlement to other states. Most of those that settled in MIchigan ,I have found , incl. several surnames of those people & have the church records copy, in my MI home . Cemetery burials,marriages,births, incl.Plat maps of their farms too.
If anyone wishes to contact me for info. from these records , I will be there in May, 06.
Phil Kuehn
pkuehn@mich.com
The e-mail address applies here in FL too.
Surnames: Sahr, Rossow, Gensmar,Wurl,
OcalaKid

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Apr 7, 2008 11:14 AM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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Das Haus German Heritage Museum
2549 Niagara Road
Bergholz, NY
(716) 731-4553

I cannot find their website anymore, though.....

Annette
Ron41

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: May 14, 2008 8:56 PM   in response to: OcalaKid in response to: OcalaKid
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Annette,

You are correct in not being able to find a website for "Das Haus" in Bergholz - thre isn't one! I just checked with one of the Board members and was told that one is in the process of being built! Is there a particular question you have? There are several of us who are a part of this forum who have knowledge of the area and might be able to answer you question either publicly or privately.

Ron
OcalaKid

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Nov 14, 2008 10:49 AM   in response to: Ron41 in response to: Ron41
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Ron,

Sorry I didn't respond to your message. I couldn't get on here again after my initial log on. So, I had to redo my password.

I am searching for anyone who might have documented information on my ZASTROW or HOLLAND ancestors who lived in Johnsburg, NY. A relative shared with me that my paternal great grandmother, Amelia, was a midwife in the area and used to sew a lot of christening gowns for the infants.

Annette in Ocala, FL
n4oln

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Aug 15, 2010 12:30 AM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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As a former Buffalonian, I recall the Museum of Science in Buffalo has that information.
Ron41

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Aug 15, 2010 5:43 AM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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Here is the pertinent information about the Museum called "Das Haus" and located in the village of Bergholz, NY.

Historical Society Of North German Settlements In Western New York
2549 Niagara Road
Niagara Falls, NY 14304-2020
Phone: (716) 471-2217
Website:Information not found

There is also a short paragraph titled "Das Haus" about the Museum at Wikipedia under the article "Wheatfield, NY." A search on Google, using "Historical Society Of North German Settlements In Western New York" identifies several more articles and some more information.
Randoow

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Re: Buffalo NY Settlement
Posted: Sep 19, 2011 1:08 PM   in response to: PRE_Brenda Will... in response to: PRE_Brenda Will...
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http://Dashausmuseum.org Das Haus Museum website is now up and running.... Dashausmuseum.org or Dashausmuseum.com will get you there.
The museum is operated by the Historical Society of North German Settlements in Western New York, in Bergholz, Wheatfield, Niagara County, New York. The 1843 square log home houses a collection of artifacts and information pertaining to the 1843 "Old Lutheran" Prussian migration to Wheatfield, NY.
In 1839 Pastor J A A Grabau and Captain Heinrich von Rohr with 974 of their primarily Prussian Saxon and Pommeranian Lutheran followers met up with 265 members of Pastor Krause's Silesian congregation in Hamburg. In six sailships these 1239 emigrants sailed to the United States. Some of these families went on to Wisconsin with von Rohr but most stayed in Buffalo with Grabau where they established Trinity Old Lutheran Church and later the Buffalo Synod. In 1843 close to 1600 "Old Lutherans" arrived in New York sailing from Hamburg and Stettin aboard as many as 17 sail ships or barques. They traveled to Buffalo along the Erie Canal and met with Pastor Grabau. Pastor Kindermann traveled on to Wisconsin near Freistadt and established settlements of Lebanon and Cedarburg. Pastor Ehrenstroem's Nipperwiese congregation was supposed to go on to Wisconsin but due to his imprisonment back in Prussia they stayed near Buffalo and purchased land along the Erie Canal and founded Martinsville. The others purchased large sections of Wheatfield and founded Bergholz, Walmore and later Johnsburg and Wolcottsville. Other areas these groups moved to include Columbia and Waldenburg, Michigan, Altamont, Illinois, and Afton, Minnesota