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evrysoul


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Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:10 PM
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I've read most of the previous posts about this subject and recognize the opinions of some here and on other boards, that Catholic institutions should cover birth control because most Catholic women are already taking it, and that the institutions affected are not covered under the constitution. I get that.

But what if those Catholic institutions decided to shut down instead of complying with a law that they find abhorrent? They could do that. If their goal is to adhere strictly to their beliefs, what would that do to Obamacare?

The situation is complicated;

The CHA (Catholic Health Association) runs the hospitals and are considered a separate-yet-included portion of the Catholic Church. Sister Keehan ( the CEO of CHA) represented the liberal portion of the church that wanted Obamacare and saw it as a necessary social reform.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/who-is-sister-carol-keehan/

But the bishops and cardinals see things differently;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/cardinal-george-birth-con_n_1307749.html

The impact on healthcare;

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/01/what-if-catholic-bishops-arent-bluffing/

It operates 12.6 percent of hospitals in the U.S., according to the Catholic Health Association of the U.S., accounting for 15.6 percent of all admissions and 14.5 percent of all hospital expenses, a total for Catholic hospitals in 2010 of $98.6 billion. Whom do these hospitals serve? Catholic hospitals handle more than their share of Medicare (16.6 percent) and Medicaid (13.65) discharges, meaning that more than one in six seniors and disabled patients get attention from these hospitals, and more than one in every eight low-income patients as well. Almost a third (32 percent) of these hospitals are located in rural areas, where patients usually have few other options for care.

As best as I can tell, there are about (approx.) 5 Lutheran hospitals, 5 Presbyterian, 5 Baptist, 5 Jewish, 5 Methodist inside the U.S that could also be affected. These hospitals may differ in their objections about some forms of birth control, they too could shut down, sell off, or go secular.

I also like to point out the amount of Christians charities under this umbrella - food harvest, disasters, schools/colleges, adoptions services, etc., and how that might affects worldwide charities. If a significant amount of money is collected from these U.S.organizations to support charities and hospitals in other countries they might collapse. I'm entertaining a "what if" scenario here.....what if the U.S. reduced religious conscious down to the church only while eliminating all other affliated institutions?
Gramps


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Re: Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 4:27 PM   in response to: evrysoul in response to: evrysoul
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Not sure where you get the figure that there are 5 Lutheran hospitals, 5 Presbyterian, 5 Baptist, 5 Jewish, 5 Methodist hospitals who may object to having to provide birth control insurance coverage since even President Harrison said he has no problem with birth control.

Twenty six states already require religious institutions to provide for birth control insurance. Catholic programs have not shut down in those states.

Besides, this is already a dead horse since Obama has backed off and said he will require insurance companies, not the institutions, to provide for birth control.
Turtletoes2


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Re: Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 6, 2012 8:25 AM   in response to: Gramps in response to: Gramps
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What about self insured hospitals ?
evrysoul


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Re: Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 6, 2012 7:09 PM   in response to: Gramps in response to: Gramps
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Harrison was on Capitol Hill to promote birth control? Including abortion? I sort of thought he was there to defend religious liberties. Hmmmm.
And perhaps you didn't understand that Obama gave religious institutions 1 year to comply. Not a single word of the policy was changed.

Actually 28 states require insurers to cover birth control.
2 exclude the morning after pill and 1 state excludes minors
20 states allow some employers to refuse coverage,
14 of the 20 require employee notification if birth control is not included
8 states don't allow any exemptions
4 states allow churches to opt out but not hospitals
7 allow churches and everything affiliated with them to opt out.
8 allow church and secular to opt out
4 state demand that an alternative be provided if they opt out.

Since B/C pill coverage is very different from the morning after pill and abortions, none of these stats apply. I haven't found any stats on states that mandate the inclusion of abortion under the heading of birth control, but if/when I do, I will post it.


As far as the hospitals...I took what info I could find. Do you have more information?

Gramps


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Re: Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:33 PM   in response to: evrysoul in response to: evrysoul
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Harrison said Lutherans have no problem with preventive birth control. But he stood with his Roman Catholic brothers when it comes to the morning after pill or birth control that induces abortion

Here is the specific quote I was referring to:

"While we are opposed in principle -- not to all forms of birth control, but only abortion-causing drugs," Harrison said, "we stand with our friends in the Catholic Church and all others, Christians and non-Christians, under the free exercise and conscience provisions of the U.S. Constitution."
evrysoul


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Re: Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:33 PM   in response to: Gramps in response to: Gramps
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So back to the original question. What if? What if Christian/Jewish institutions dug their heels in and said they wouldn't pay for birth control and abortions? Is it worth giving up core religious beliefs and what some thought were protections under the constitution so that their birth control/abortions are paid for?

_http://cnsnews.com/news/article/arizona-hospital-loses-catholic-status-over-abortion

_http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/03/01/Obama-Risks-$100-Billion-if-Catholic-Hospitals-Close.aspx#page1
Turtletoes2


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Re: Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 10, 2012 11:15 PM   in response to: evrysoul in response to: evrysoul
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Something I hadn't thought of before.

Suppose you were, a Christian Scientist, and you had an institution, {reading room, broadcasting, etc. } and you decided, one of our core beliefs , if people work here for us, who are not Christian Scientists, or even if they are, they cannot avail themselves of any medical treatments because that's what we believe. Therefore we should be exempt from having medical insurance provided and all it encompasses.

By the way, certain Christian Scientists are reimbursed by the government for praying for people to get well. It's considered a type of treatment. Some do this full time. It's their only means of income.
wanderer


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Re: Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 6, 2012 8:13 PM   in response to: evrysoul in response to: evrysoul
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evrysoul


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Re: Birthcontrol - what if??
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:13 PM   in response to: wanderer in response to: wanderer
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Interesting.
But at least it won't have any affects on hospitals, charities etc.