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Sophia

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The new ELCA red Hymnal
Posted: Nov 4, 2006 7:27 PM
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Our Pastor is pushing this new Hymnal. Every Sunday he talks about it. We can't afford it at this time. I have heard things about this hymnal I don't care for and am happy with the LBW. Are congragation is mostly people from 65-90 age group. They don't like change. but feel they have to get this Hymnal. I am confussed. I don't think we have too. Also I heard that the ELCA approved the making of this Hymanl but have not yet actual Approved the Final product. Is that true. How do you find out? Any info would be great?
Thanks Sophia
Don the Norski


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Re: The new ELCA red Hymnal
Posted: Nov 4, 2006 9:01 PM   in response to: Sophia in response to: Sophia
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The new hymnal is an improvement over the LBW. Try being a bass or alto and singing any of the hymns that don't have 4-part harmony and you'd quickly understand. They're in keys that only a soprano or 1st tenor could love.

Change? We're all Lutherans here... no one likes change. But, that being said, change does us good. Especially when its a fresh breath of the Spirit that has brought about that change. And, yes... it is ELCA approved.

Funds? Well, maybe the official coffers of your congregation are low. Now's the time to remind people that there's that extra bit they can give, at the end of the year, to get that extra deduction. And, if they don't care about that, then simply put it into the hands of God, and it will happen. You be the first to put your twenty down, in honor of your first Sunday School teacher, or your mother... or, etc.
Sophia

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Re: The new ELCA red Hymnal
Posted: Nov 4, 2006 9:33 PM   in response to: Don the Norski in response to: Don the Norski
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Thanks for the info. I know change is hard. I just sit next to my Grandma Inlaw and her very good friend. and they do not want change at all.
Gramps


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Re: The new ELCA red Hymnal
Posted: Nov 5, 2006 12:18 PM   in response to: Sophia in response to: Sophia
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Your congregation gets funds through Thrivent that can be used for any project the congregation wants to use the funds for. I would use them to buy the new hymnal.
You just have to follow the requirements for using the funds--I think six Thrivent families have to be involved in it in some way. The way to do that is to split up the tasks into little tasks--someone to make the order, someone to pick it up, some people to put labels in them--you get the picture.

For your information I think you will be pleasantly suprised to see some of the old hymns from the SBH included in the new ELW.
Sophia

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Re: The new ELCA red Hymnal
Posted: Nov 5, 2006 10:13 PM   in response to: Don the Norski in response to: Don the Norski
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You said it was approved by the ELCA. I am so confused. Inside the cover of the new hymnal it says it is approved in Canada. But says it is commended by the ELCA. Isn't that a difference? I was on the ELCA Web site. and it says Commended? Just a little confused. Sophia
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Re: The new ELCA red Hymnal
Posted: Nov 5, 2006 10:26 PM   in response to: Sophia in response to: Sophia
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I think that means the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada (sister church to ELCA) will also use it, just as the Lutheran Church - Canada uses our LCMS hymnal.
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Re: The new ELCA red Hymnal
Posted: Nov 24, 2006 12:25 PM   in response to: Sophia in response to: Sophia
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Hi! The new ELW is really is a like a buffet table at Country Buffet! It is loaded with lots of good stuff for your plate to try out. Remember Luther's teachings during confirmation? They are in the back of the hymnal too so we don't forget.

You will like the new hymnal, as it has old favorites in standard harmony and new ones too. There are more/easy services too to help, especially during Good Friday and Palm Sunday etc. It has some great children's hymns too like "Jesus Loves Me."- and many that went missing or were butchered in LBW. Things we like in LBW are there too like "Come Let Us Eat." If your congregation is older, tell them there are favorite hymns from the old black hymnals, the old red one that were not in the LBW. There is a lot of Johann Sebastian Bach hymns too. And, the Christmas section of ELW is loaded with good songs and carols, more than LBW had. I think I am going to love singing "[i]On Christmas Night, All Christians Sing[/i]" which is included in ELW and was in the old red SBH before LBW. It is a lovely English carol. click here to hear this carol http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/o/x/oxnallcs.htm

Tell them if they liked the old red book, this new red book takes off on the old and LBW and continues the traditions. You should order the CD Rom of Hymns from Augsburg Fortress to learn the new/old hymns. It is a great help to learn the new ones which will become favorites too. Click here to order this CD. http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item.jsp?clsid=183091&productgroupid=0&isbn=0806656697

Should not be too confusing, ELW was done by the ELCA folks in Chicago this time-our own church for our churches. Our sister church (Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada - ELCIC) in Canada participated too on this too to help out. They use the LBW also up there in the frozen tundra. One of the hymns they contributed in ELW is also found in LBW - 'Twas In the Moon In Wintertime." click here to hear it... http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/t/i/tistmowt.htm

Just so you know to be not too confusing...the LBW (green book) was put together by two different Lutheran churches: the Missouri Synod Lutherans and what was our whole church before the merger in 1987 to form the ELCA. It had too many cooks in the pot, and the LCMS backed out of the hymnbook, and we got stuck with a lot of turkey jerky hymns in LBW to sing that are not singable. It still is a radical hymnal from the hippie age. I think most everything in ELW is singable thankfully! At least the book is our very own this time.
Shar M


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Re: The new ELCA red Hymnal
Posted: Nov 24, 2006 2:49 PM   in response to: guest in response to: guest
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The reason LCMS backed out of the hymnal project, to my understanding, is because of some of the hymns and they also wanted it to include the Cathechism. Which LW does. However, LW made some of the same mistakes as LBW which, hopefully, have been corrected in the new Lutheran Service Book. Which I guess will be known as LSB.