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Sketcher

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Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 23, 2010 8:50 PM
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Hey all! I'm totally new to Lutheranism. Have been attending an LCMS for about the last 3 months. I've made a really great friend there and between her and listening to "fighting for the faith" and "Issues Etc." I've learned quite a lot about Luther, Lutheranism and especially and most importantly about Jesus/faith/grace/bible.

I know I could easily google this but wondered if anyone wanted to share what the whole Lutherans being into Bach is all about.

Thanks!
SereneMaxine


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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 23, 2010 10:38 PM   in response to: Sketcher in response to: Sketcher
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Well, I know that you could have found this, but here is a link about Bach and his Lutheran history: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&sqi=2&ved=0CEAQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsteadfastlutherans.org%2F%3Fp%3D177&rct=j&q=Lutherans%20and%20Bach&ei=exycTPvFMYWSswbv8q3mDg&usg=AFQjCNFHKDldEPXdz3Y_fbL19RH2_gB15w&sig2=b3zQepPnoblMoM5DlHMr5g&cad=rja

Welcome to the boards! I hope that you find many friends on this site.

SereneMaxine
Karen411


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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 23, 2010 10:45 PM   in response to: Sketcher in response to: Sketcher
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Hi Sketcher, welcome to the boards and to Lutheranism. I' not single but stray over here once in a while. I don't know much about Bach, but understand he was Lutheran and many of his works were based on his beliefs.

I was an adult convert to the Lutheran church and read a lot about Martin Luther. I firmly believe that i have always been a Lutheran, it just took me a while to figure it out.
Karen411


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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 23, 2010 11:05 PM   in response to: Sketcher in response to: Sketcher
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Just for fun, go to YouTube and type in the Lutheran Song. You will be suprised that there are many well known people who are Lutheran
TK MANDO


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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 24, 2010 1:40 AM   in response to: Karen411 in response to: Karen411
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That is a great video! I remember seeing that a while back.
Sketcher

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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 24, 2010 7:06 AM   in response to: Sketcher in response to: Sketcher
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Thank you all! I can see how one would believe that they were always Lutheran and it just took awhile for God to bring you into the fold. I'm inclined to believe that as well.
TigerEyes

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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 25, 2010 12:42 PM   in response to: Sketcher in response to: Sketcher
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It's a fantastic connection!

First, one of the important contributions of Martin Luther occurred in the participation of the congregation in the worship service. Before the Reformation, congregations watched as the clergy performed all aspects of the service, offering only spoken responses. Among other things, Luther developed the chorale, which is essentially a multi-verse hymn for the congregation to sing. He tended to use popular melodies that the worshipers would already know (hence the accusation that some of Luther's melodies were actually German beer-drinking songs).

About 200 years later, Bach came along. He was born in 1685 and died in 1750. He was a gifted composer, as we now recognize, but at the time he was best known for his performance at the organ keyboard. One of Bach's greatest outputs is in the form of "Lutheran chorales," as they came to be known. In other words, he took the melodies and wrote various and fantastic four-part harmonizations for them. He used these over and over in his cantatas and passions and they are true sacred standards, still in use today.

Also, Bach incorporated theology into his work whenever possible. He saw himself only as a good Christian and Lutheran, serving God through serving those around him and living all aspects of his life to the glory of God. He designed a family crest that incorporated several chiastic (cross-like) structures. But overall, he did his best to live out Lutheran theology.

Interestingly, at his death, he owned two sets of Calov's commentary on the Guttenberg Bible. One had been owned by Martin Luther (if memory serves me correct). The other, with margin notations in his handwriting, actually resides at the seminary in St. Louis.

In short - Bach continues to be one of the more famous Lutheran historical figures and his music is drenched with liturgical and theological goodies! That's why Lutherans are so entranced with Bach!

P.S. - I'm writing most of these details from memory. If I screwed up somewhere along the line, please feel free to correct me!
Karen411


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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 25, 2010 12:59 PM   in response to: TigerEyes in response to: TigerEyes
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Thank you for that information. Its another reason for me to love the Lutheran faith and history. Karen
Sketcher

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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 25, 2010 1:35 PM   in response to: TigerEyes in response to: TigerEyes
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OOH wonderful information! It's going to take awhile for me to digest this, as I don't know what many of these words even mean (I'm very musically illiterate it seems) but still fascinating. Thank you
momof4greatkids


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Re: Anyone want to explain the Lutheran - Bach connection?
Posted: Sep 25, 2010 7:13 PM   in response to: TigerEyes in response to: TigerEyes
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Enjoyed the info! Thanks for sharing!

Mom of 4 (Beth)